I wanted to post an example of where 3betting is sub optimal. and where you should always try to make a strategy for how you want to play the hand, based on reads and situation. So here we wake up with QQ from BB versus a TAG player on the tight/nit side of things. Now I guess the vast majority of regs 3bet here. Personally I think they do this for 2 reasons, a) they can't hand read very well, and they know it and b) they have read everywhere that you cannot play out of position without the lead.
So with QQ here, the mouse hovers over the 3bet pot button (if it exists) in auto mode. But we really need to think. Villain is 18/14 and raising 3bb from cutoff. He has a 100%cbet. He's 4betting AK, AA-KK for sure which, as a range, crushes us, and MAYBE flatting JJ-TT but he might even fold these. All other hands he is folding. Why on earth therefore would you want to 3bet him therefore???
$0.50/$1 No Limit
Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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Hand DetailsMP: $124.90 (124.9
bb)
CO: $140.90 (140.9 bb)BTN: $34.50 (34.5
bb)
SB: $50.35 (50.4
bb)
Hero (BB): $101.50 (101.5 bb)UTG: $66.50 (66.5
bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with Q
Q
2 folds,
CO raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2
We make a decision at the start of the hand how we want to play it (extracting max value through opponents mistakes after concealing our strength), and we stick to that throughout the hand without info to suggest we should be beat.
Flop: ($6.50) 6
5
J
(2 players)Hero checks,
CO bets $4, Hero calls $4
Plan is to check call all streets, as villain spazzes once he is in the pot, as previously mentioned with cbet. If he checks the turn, we bet all cards on the river no matter what. (I would even bet if an A rivers, but I leave that to you to decide why I would do that)
Turn: ($14.50) 7
(2 players)Hero checks,
CO bets $10, Hero calls $10
Keeping to the plan. 8-9 beats us now, as do the sets, and absolutely no reason on Gods earth to raise therefore.
River: ($34.50) 8
(2 players)Hero checks,
CO bets $42, Hero calls $42
Whoops..........
So the mother of all scare cards comes, and he overbets the pot. Would YOU bet like that if you made the straight? Or would you value bet to get a call from a weaker hand such as 2pair? 9-10 is the nuts, and if he does have this, then it's a very, very advanced play. I don't often see a tighty raising mid connecting cards from the cut-off, and he is always checking those on the river to such a draw/set heavy board, if by chance he has indeed made 2 pair. Meanwhile our plan was to check call to extract max value using his spazzy betting, and nothing indicates that we should deviate from that. We beat 22-44, 8-9, 99,TT, all broadway and any Ax hand, as well factoring in our suspicion on his overbet, so I have to carry on with the hand.
Results: $118.50 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: 6
5
J
7
8
CO showed K
T
(high card King) and lost (-$59 net)
Hero showed Q
Q
(a pair of Queens) and won $115.50 ($56.50 net)
Sure sometimes they draw out on you, and sometimes you need to re-evaluate post flop, but you will not learn to play cards and start to become able to hand read if you cannot stop auto-3betting and learning post flop strategy. And so you'll never move up.